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This is a new discussion section for students in the ITP Core 1 Seminar who are going to be adding a few sentences to this page. --Theredproject (talk) 23:19, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Our focus is going to be on Remix Culture.

I am thinking that this would be a good spot expand his view on why it is a "desirable concept for society". Alone that sentiment feels incomplete, and we can cite his piece in The Social Media Reader: REMIX How Creativity Is Being Strangled by the Law.

We can also relate this section to his work on the Creative Commons, as that work is presented with no clear connection to his views

--False-mirror (talk) 17:44, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree. I was doing some research and found the following which I have drafted in to a paragraph:

[Text Moved Below]

The above has a nexus to the excerpt in The Social Media Reader of REMIX (p. 166) What do you think of the above and how we can relate this section to the Creative Commons (if at all?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Producer06 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That citation is used a lot in the Remix_culture articles so it seems suitable, I'm just wondering how to best incorporate it in a way which maintains focus on Lessig. Perhaps around three sentences total. We can mention the purported importance of remix culture (maybe his legal work protecting it), and that others have extended his ideas into a historical context. I'll work on that first part and maybe you can edit down your text to ~1-2 sentences?(I moved your except to below so we can continually edit and comment above it).--False-mirror (talk) 20:55, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good to know, as I didn't realize the citation I found was so widely used, and also good that it's suitable. Good point on maintaining focus on Lessig through the citation. Yes, I will down my text to 1-2 sentences, and will probably select this: [moved below]

What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Producer06 (talk • contribs) 21:16, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I think that's a lot better, I just moved it below. My portion is running a little long and didn't really address its "importance to society". Maybe switching the order of yours then mine will help with that? --False-mirror (talk) 21:54, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great, glad the edit is good. I like the re-ordering of the paragraph, good idea, thank you for that. Your paragraph is great, I think the importance to society is related to Lessig not wanting our kids to be thought of as criminals for their remixes, a situation which is caused by the current copyright laws. So, maybe we could say that Lessig's balancing the maintaining of the "rule of law" with creative expression is the importance to society? Do you think that weaves the two together? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Producer06 (talk • contribs) 22:06, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I don't know why my responses are going unsigned or as "unsigned comment". Here is my signature for the above Producer06 5:09pmProducer06 (talk) 22:09, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we could delete this phrase from the opening sentence: "he presents this as a desirable concept for society." Maybe we could try this: "in his 2008 book Remix, Lessig articulates that Remix Culture..."

Do you think the above edit works?

Producer06 (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good suggestion, I think the only issue is that it suggests your contribution comes from the book? What do you think of the edits below? I'm wondering if we can internally link to read/write culture or the hybrid economy since they don't have clear meaning. --False-mirror (talk) 23:01, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can can clarify my contribution and that we're getting somewhere, I want to mull it offline for a moment. Just two editorial observations: 1) the antecedent is not clear to me for "this" in "...the problem with this is..." and 2) "Instead he proposes..." vs. "purposes".

Be back in a few...Producer06 (talk) 00:07, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think internally linking to read/write culture and/or the hybrid economy is a really good idea. [Add'l editorial note: delete "a" from the phrase "and the [a] hybrid economy."

As it reads to me now, our/the contribution hits good points summarizing Remix Culture. When we clean it up with the minor edits and add the additional internal links, do you think we're nearly there?

Producer06 (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the paragraph but didn't add the internal links. If you think we're on the right track with the edited paragraph, could you add the internal links? Here's the edit:

Lessig has been a proponent of the Remix culture since the early 2000s.[25] In his 2008 book Remix,[26][27] he presents Remix culture as a cultural practice preferable to and distinct from piracy. Lessig further articulates Remix Culture as intrinsic to technology and the Internet. Remix Culture is therefore an amalgam of practice, creativity, "read/write" culture, and the hybrid economy.

According to Lessig, the problem with this [Remix culture] is when it is at odds with an overly stringent US copyright law. He has compared this to the failure of Prohibition, both in its ineffectiveness and in its tendency to normalize criminal behavior. Instead he proposes more lenient licensing, namely Creative Commons licenses, which will help maintain a "rule of law" while combating plagiarism. [1]'

Feedback welcome at your convenience...to be continued. Producer06 (talk) 19:51, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure where we are with the edited paragraph as I don't see any feedback to my entries. I will be online again from 1:00-4:00pm EDST. Producer06 (talk) 13:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I posted the above edited paragraph to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Theredproject per the assignment to turn it in there with a note that it may be tweaked before class time Monday. Producer06 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also posted the edited paragraph to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig#Remix_Culture to see what sticks. Producer06 (talk) 19:49, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Lessig has been a proponent of the Remix culture since the early 2000s,[25] in his 2008 book Remix[26][27] he presents this as a desirable cultural practice distinct from piracy. Lessig further articulates Remix Culture as intrinsic to technology and the Internet.

According to Lessig, the problem with the Remix comes when it is at odds with stringent US copyright law. He has compared this to the failure of Prohibition, both in its ineffectiveness and in its tendency to normalize criminal behaviour. Instead he purposes more lenient licensing, namely Creative Commons licenses, as a remedy to maintain "rule of law" while combating plagiarism. ^[1]

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^ Lessig, Lawrence (2012). "REMIX: How Creativity is Being Strangled by the Law". The social media reader. Mandiberg, Michael,. New York: New York University Press. pp. 155–169. ISBN 9780814764077. OCLC 778455386.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

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Can anyone find a newer picture of Lessig (circa. 2020-present?)

Lessig has completely changed if you have seen his interviews recently Fluddsskark (talk) 06:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Lessig, Lawrence (2012). "REMIX: How Creativity is Being Strangled by the Law". The social media reader. Mandiberg, Michael,. New York: New York University Press. pp. 155–169. ISBN 9780814764077. OCLC 778455386.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link)

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